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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 50% of the general public does not believe in evolution - see the Gallop polls

Why? Because both scientists and some religious leaders have confused the PROCESS of evolution with the BELIEF of atheism. Some scientists left their field of empirical research and went into religious philosophy or metaphysics and used evolution as an excuse not to believe in a higher power. The religious leaders then thought that to defend God they had to attack evolution and the great age of the earth.  

Atheists could use the process of condensation to “disprove” that God exists and sends rain. It’s a category error. They confuse processes with ultimate causes. God could evolve life or set up the universe so we would evolve and it’s still creation.  If an alien biologist cooked up life in a test tube and sent it to earth it would be instant or fast creation but could be atheistic. Twice in Genesis 1 God commands the EARTH to produce something – first plants and then animals. The Bible does not rule out evolution – says Adam was made of the dust of the ground – but also says we are – it was not giving HOW God created. With the sun created on the 4th day and the same word day used in Gen 2:4 to refer to all 6 days the Bible is probably not telling us WHEN, just WHO and WHY.

By the way the origin of the universe requires a cause that is before, outside and more powerful than it – and with the discovery of fine tuning that cause must be smart. Don’t ask where God came from – He is not running down like the universe is and therefore does not need a beginning. Something had to be at the beginning and since all matter runs down it had to be non material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 50% of the general public does not believe in evolution &#8211; see the Gallop polls</p>
<p>Why? Because both scientists and some religious leaders have confused the PROCESS of evolution with the BELIEF of atheism. Some scientists left their field of empirical research and went into religious philosophy or metaphysics and used evolution as an excuse not to believe in a higher power. The religious leaders then thought that to defend God they had to attack evolution and the great age of the earth.  </p>
<p>Atheists could use the process of condensation to “disprove” that God exists and sends rain. It’s a category error. They confuse processes with ultimate causes. God could evolve life or set up the universe so we would evolve and it’s still creation.  If an alien biologist cooked up life in a test tube and sent it to earth it would be instant or fast creation but could be atheistic. Twice in Genesis 1 God commands the EARTH to produce something – first plants and then animals. The Bible does not rule out evolution – says Adam was made of the dust of the ground – but also says we are – it was not giving HOW God created. With the sun created on the 4th day and the same word day used in Gen 2:4 to refer to all 6 days the Bible is probably not telling us WHEN, just WHO and WHY.</p>
<p>By the way the origin of the universe requires a cause that is before, outside and more powerful than it – and with the discovery of fine tuning that cause must be smart. Don’t ask where God came from – He is not running down like the universe is and therefore does not need a beginning. Something had to be at the beginning and since all matter runs down it had to be non material.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by Paul</title>
		<link>http://zygotetheory.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/zygote-theory/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could call this PUNCTUATED CREATIONISM -  a form of progressive creation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could call this PUNCTUATED CREATIONISM &#8211;  a form of progressive creation</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by Paul</title>
		<link>http://zygotetheory.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/zygote-theory/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some accuse ID (Intelligent design) theorists of resorting to ID only because they eliminate chance - not for positive reasons or evidence. There is positive evidence for design in the nonrandom, complexity of DNA and irreducibly complex structures that point to intelligence. 

Ironically, many evolutionists actually accept random chance, not because it works but because they have philosophically eliminated intelligence so they HAVE TO accept chance mutations as the creative force. 

I am not opposed to evolution for religious reasons - God could be behind or work through His natural laws - it&#039;s the mathematical, anatomical and physiological problems that random chance plus natural selection cannot explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some accuse ID (Intelligent design) theorists of resorting to ID only because they eliminate chance &#8211; not for positive reasons or evidence. There is positive evidence for design in the nonrandom, complexity of DNA and irreducibly complex structures that point to intelligence. </p>
<p>Ironically, many evolutionists actually accept random chance, not because it works but because they have philosophically eliminated intelligence so they HAVE TO accept chance mutations as the creative force. </p>
<p>I am not opposed to evolution for religious reasons &#8211; God could be behind or work through His natural laws &#8211; it&#8217;s the mathematical, anatomical and physiological problems that random chance plus natural selection cannot explain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few people have called me names or questioned my intelligence after they read this theory - name calling is not scientific and doesn&#039;t help in finding truth.

I have struggled with this issue for over 40 years.
I have taught science, mostly high school biology but some part time at the college level for 27 years, 
I have 2 masters degrees in science and science education.
I have been tested at over 145 IQ - got a 5 on my AP bio test and 2100 on my GRE&#039;s and 1345 on my SAT&#039;s back when they had only Math and English - 
I came up with some of the probability problems on my own in the 1970&#039;s but since then have read Demski and Behe on Information theory and irreducible complexity.
I am trying to contribute to the dialog on origins. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few people have called me names or questioned my intelligence after they read this theory &#8211; name calling is not scientific and doesn&#8217;t help in finding truth.</p>
<p>I have struggled with this issue for over 40 years.<br />
I have taught science, mostly high school biology but some part time at the college level for 27 years,<br />
I have 2 masters degrees in science and science education.<br />
I have been tested at over 145 IQ &#8211; got a 5 on my AP bio test and 2100 on my GRE&#8217;s and 1345 on my SAT&#8217;s back when they had only Math and English &#8211;<br />
I came up with some of the probability problems on my own in the 1970&#8217;s but since then have read Demski and Behe on Information theory and irreducible complexity.<br />
I am trying to contribute to the dialog on origins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
		<link>http://zygotetheory.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/zygote-theory/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predictions based on this theory
1. Genetic differences between humans and Neanderthals would be too great to have happened at normal mutation rates. The odds against those changes taking place by pure chance will be too great to be explained by random mutations.
2. There will continue to be missing links in the fossil record
3. other hominid fossils will continue to look like side branches with one or more traits that do not put them on a direct path to humans (ie Neanderthals bones are too thick)
4. Humans will continue to look like they come from a very small population</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predictions based on this theory<br />
1. Genetic differences between humans and Neanderthals would be too great to have happened at normal mutation rates. The odds against those changes taking place by pure chance will be too great to be explained by random mutations.<br />
2. There will continue to be missing links in the fossil record<br />
3. other hominid fossils will continue to look like side branches with one or more traits that do not put them on a direct path to humans (ie Neanderthals bones are too thick)<br />
4. Humans will continue to look like they come from a very small population</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Intelligent Designer could be:

1. An alien Biologist in our galaxy or at least within our universe - we don&#039;t have to explain the biologist&#039;s origin 
2. An alien supernatural or extra universal biologist who somehow existed in ANOTHER universe (if multiverse theory is correct there could be many of them - in fact there would be an infinite number of them!!)
3. An alien being that exists outside any universe: extra multiverse being - or super multinatural being - which some call God - making life 
4. A supernatural - extra multiverse being that created an infinite number of universes in order for one of them (and thus an infinite number of them according to the deffinition of inifinite) to naturally produce highly improbable things like a first cell and other life forms. This is design THROUGH chance!!!

All these are Intelligent Design hypothesies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Intelligent Designer could be:</p>
<p>1. An alien Biologist in our galaxy or at least within our universe &#8211; we don&#8217;t have to explain the biologist&#8217;s origin<br />
2. An alien supernatural or extra universal biologist who somehow existed in ANOTHER universe (if multiverse theory is correct there could be many of them &#8211; in fact there would be an infinite number of them!!)<br />
3. An alien being that exists outside any universe: extra multiverse being &#8211; or super multinatural being &#8211; which some call God &#8211; making life<br />
4. A supernatural &#8211; extra multiverse being that created an infinite number of universes in order for one of them (and thus an infinite number of them according to the deffinition of inifinite) to naturally produce highly improbable things like a first cell and other life forms. This is design THROUGH chance!!!</p>
<p>All these are Intelligent Design hypothesies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the movie EXPELLED, Richard Dawkins gave a naturalistic INTELLIGENT DESIGN THEORY!!! 

Richard Dawkins actually admitted intelligent design could be a legitimate theory on the origin of life. He would be the first to say that anything 
natural was a legitimate object of scientific investigation.

Therefore ID can be legitimate science and discussed in science classes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie EXPELLED, Richard Dawkins gave a naturalistic INTELLIGENT DESIGN THEORY!!! </p>
<p>Richard Dawkins actually admitted intelligent design could be a legitimate theory on the origin of life. He would be the first to say that anything<br />
natural was a legitimate object of scientific investigation.</p>
<p>Therefore ID can be legitimate science and discussed in science classes!</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the web site referred to above claiming life is not that improbable is

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html#r4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the web site referred to above claiming life is not that improbable is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html#r4" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html#r4</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out William Demski and Michael J Behe&#039;s books and web sites for more on the probability of genes and irriducibly complex structures forming by chance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out William Demski and Michael J Behe&#8217;s books and web sites for more on the probability of genes and irriducibly complex structures forming by chance</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZYGOTE THEORY by dna4paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>dna4paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said the improbability calculations above aren&#039;t good and sent me to a page with these comments: MY RESPONSES ARE IN UPPER CASE.

Problems with the creationists&#039; &quot;it&#039;s so improbable&quot; calculations

1) They calculate the probability of the formation of a &quot;modern&quot; protein, or 
even a complete bacterium with all &quot;modern&quot; proteins, by random events. This is 
not the abiogenesis theory at all.

ALL THE STEPS BETWEEN SMALL POYPEPTIDES AND A SIMPLE CELL ARE IMAGINATION. THEY HAVE NOT 
BEEN DEMONSTRATED AND EVEN IF THEY EXISTED YOU STILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE PRESENT 
COMPLEXITY. NATURAL SELECTION CAN ONLY SELECT REPRODUCING ENTITIES THAT ARE STABLE IN 
THEIR STRUCTURE. THEY MUST BE ABLE TO REPRODUCE, GROW AND GET ENERGY = DOZENS AND PROBABLY 
100&#039;S OF GENES = IMPOSSIBLE BY CHANCE. 

2) They assume that there is a fixed number of proteins, with fixed sequences for each protein, that are required for life.

THERE MAY BE A LARGE NUMBER OF POROTIND THAT COULD ACT AS THE STARTING POINT BUT THE NEXT PROTEIN NEEDS TO FIT AND WORK WITH #1 AND #3 MUST FIT WITH 1&amp;2 ETC UP TO ABOUT 200 PROTEINS. THE MAJORITY OF ORDERS ARE USELESS GOOP (SEE MILLER&#039;S &quot;SOUP&quot;). JUST AS MOST LETTER COMBINATIONS ARE MEANINGLESS - MOST PROTEINS ARE NON FUNCTIONAL. EVEN IF 90% 
WERE USEFUL THE ODDS WOULD STILL BE ASTRONOMICAL.

3) They calculate the probability of sequential trials, rather than simultaneous trials.

I CALCULATE SIMULTANEOUS TRIALS. IF A NEW GENE OR PROTEIN FORMED EVERY TIME EVERY ATOM IN 
THE UNIVERSE COLLIDED YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE 10 TO THE 110TH POWER PROTEINS - THE NUMBER OF 
POSSIBLE ORDERS OF PROTEINS ONLY 100 AMINO ACIDS LON EXCEEDS THAT NUMBER FOR 1 PROTEIN AND 
IT&#039;S GENE, NEVER MIND 200 THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE 
A REPLICATING LIFE FORM = AGAIN IMPOSSIBLE.

4) They misunderstand what is meant by a probability calculation.

HE SPENDS A GREAT DEAL OF TIME SHOWING HOW A SMALL MOLECULE COULD REPLICATE - I&#039;M GIVING 
YOU FULL PROTEINS AND GENES AT THE RATE of 10 TO THE 90th MOLECULES EVERY SECOND - STILL 
ONLY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE OF ALL THE POSSIBLE PROTEINS - MOST OF WHICH ARE USELESS. AND 
THE OCCASIONAL USEFUL ONE WOULD BE MILES FROM ANOTHER AND TEND TO BREAK DOWN RAPIDLY - 
PROBABLY IN A FEW SECONDS. IF IT WERE PRESERVED IN ICE, IT WOULD LAST LONER BUT BE NON MOBILE AND UNABLE TO BOUNCE AROUND AND MEET OTHER PROTEINS.

5) They seriously underestimate the number of functional enzymes/ribozymes present in a group of random sequences.

CYTOCHROME C CAN WORK WITH ABOUT 2/3 OF IT&#039;S AMINO ACIDS CHANGED. BUT THE 1/3 LEFT MUST BE EXACT OR IT&#039;S USELESS. THE OTHERS NEED TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINALS OR THE SHAPE AND 
FUNCTION WON&#039;T WORK. 

THE ODDS OF GETTING AN ENZYME TO SPLIT DNA OR TRANSCRIBE RNA ETC IS THE SAME WHETHER IT HAPPENS IN ONE SHOT OR BIT BY BIT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT MOST OF THE INTERMEDIATE FORMS 
WOULD BE USELESS. TO GO FROM A RIBOZYME OR MINI ENZYME TO THE PRESENT FORMS REQUIRE THAT EVERY INTERMEDIATE FORM BE FUNCTIONAL - THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEMONSTRATED = IMAGINATION/speculation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone said the improbability calculations above aren&#8217;t good and sent me to a page with these comments: MY RESPONSES ARE IN UPPER CASE.</p>
<p>Problems with the creationists&#8217; &#8220;it&#8217;s so improbable&#8221; calculations</p>
<p>1) They calculate the probability of the formation of a &#8220;modern&#8221; protein, or<br />
even a complete bacterium with all &#8220;modern&#8221; proteins, by random events. This is<br />
not the abiogenesis theory at all.</p>
<p>ALL THE STEPS BETWEEN SMALL POYPEPTIDES AND A SIMPLE CELL ARE IMAGINATION. THEY HAVE NOT<br />
BEEN DEMONSTRATED AND EVEN IF THEY EXISTED YOU STILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE PRESENT<br />
COMPLEXITY. NATURAL SELECTION CAN ONLY SELECT REPRODUCING ENTITIES THAT ARE STABLE IN<br />
THEIR STRUCTURE. THEY MUST BE ABLE TO REPRODUCE, GROW AND GET ENERGY = DOZENS AND PROBABLY<br />
100&#8242;S OF GENES = IMPOSSIBLE BY CHANCE. </p>
<p>2) They assume that there is a fixed number of proteins, with fixed sequences for each protein, that are required for life.</p>
<p>THERE MAY BE A LARGE NUMBER OF POROTIND THAT COULD ACT AS THE STARTING POINT BUT THE NEXT PROTEIN NEEDS TO FIT AND WORK WITH #1 AND #3 MUST FIT WITH 1&amp;2 ETC UP TO ABOUT 200 PROTEINS. THE MAJORITY OF ORDERS ARE USELESS GOOP (SEE MILLER&#8217;S &#8220;SOUP&#8221;). JUST AS MOST LETTER COMBINATIONS ARE MEANINGLESS &#8211; MOST PROTEINS ARE NON FUNCTIONAL. EVEN IF 90%<br />
WERE USEFUL THE ODDS WOULD STILL BE ASTRONOMICAL.</p>
<p>3) They calculate the probability of sequential trials, rather than simultaneous trials.</p>
<p>I CALCULATE SIMULTANEOUS TRIALS. IF A NEW GENE OR PROTEIN FORMED EVERY TIME EVERY ATOM IN<br />
THE UNIVERSE COLLIDED YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE 10 TO THE 110TH POWER PROTEINS &#8211; THE NUMBER OF<br />
POSSIBLE ORDERS OF PROTEINS ONLY 100 AMINO ACIDS LON EXCEEDS THAT NUMBER FOR 1 PROTEIN AND<br />
IT&#8217;S GENE, NEVER MIND 200 THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE<br />
A REPLICATING LIFE FORM = AGAIN IMPOSSIBLE.</p>
<p>4) They misunderstand what is meant by a probability calculation.</p>
<p>HE SPENDS A GREAT DEAL OF TIME SHOWING HOW A SMALL MOLECULE COULD REPLICATE &#8211; I&#8217;M GIVING<br />
YOU FULL PROTEINS AND GENES AT THE RATE of 10 TO THE 90th MOLECULES EVERY SECOND &#8211; STILL<br />
ONLY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE OF ALL THE POSSIBLE PROTEINS &#8211; MOST OF WHICH ARE USELESS. AND<br />
THE OCCASIONAL USEFUL ONE WOULD BE MILES FROM ANOTHER AND TEND TO BREAK DOWN RAPIDLY &#8211;<br />
PROBABLY IN A FEW SECONDS. IF IT WERE PRESERVED IN ICE, IT WOULD LAST LONER BUT BE NON MOBILE AND UNABLE TO BOUNCE AROUND AND MEET OTHER PROTEINS.</p>
<p>5) They seriously underestimate the number of functional enzymes/ribozymes present in a group of random sequences.</p>
<p>CYTOCHROME C CAN WORK WITH ABOUT 2/3 OF IT&#8217;S AMINO ACIDS CHANGED. BUT THE 1/3 LEFT MUST BE EXACT OR IT&#8217;S USELESS. THE OTHERS NEED TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINALS OR THE SHAPE AND<br />
FUNCTION WON&#8217;T WORK. </p>
<p>THE ODDS OF GETTING AN ENZYME TO SPLIT DNA OR TRANSCRIBE RNA ETC IS THE SAME WHETHER IT HAPPENS IN ONE SHOT OR BIT BY BIT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT MOST OF THE INTERMEDIATE FORMS<br />
WOULD BE USELESS. TO GO FROM A RIBOZYME OR MINI ENZYME TO THE PRESENT FORMS REQUIRE THAT EVERY INTERMEDIATE FORM BE FUNCTIONAL &#8211; THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEMONSTRATED = IMAGINATION/speculation</p>
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